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  • Dandenong Wetlands

    Armed with some valuable experience I ventured forth today to have another crack at capturing birds in their natural environment.
    I have come to the conclusion that, while these images are a vast improvement on my last effort, I have two major limitations:
    1. My Sigma 70-200 f2.8, while a really nice piece of glass, is not the lens for this type of photography. Even with a 2x converter fitted.
    2. I have trouble holding a long lens steady (for me 200mm is long), even with a monopod I struggle.

    If I were to get serious about bird photography I would have to consider a Bigma. Anybody want to sell one?

    All comments welcome including identifying the various birds, except the magpie. Go the mighty 'pies.

    #1
    ISO set to Auto.
    Make: Canon
    Model: Canon EOS 7D Mark II
    Exposure Time: 1/500 sec
    Exposure Program: Aperture priority
    Exposure Bias: 0 EV
    F Number: F 8
    ISO Speed ratings: ISO 3200
    Focal Length: 400 mm
    Metering Mode: Evaluative
    Lens: Sigma 70-200 1.2 APO DG HSM with Sigma APO Tele Converter 2x EX DG

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    #2
    ISO set to Auto
    Make: Canon
    Model: Canon EOS 7D Mark II
    Exposure Time: 1/1600 sec
    Exposure Program: Shutter priority
    Exposure Bias: 0.33 EV
    F Number: F 6.3
    ISO Speed ratings: ISO 640
    Focal Length: 400 mm
    Metering Mode: Spot
    Lens: Sigma 70-200 1.2 APO DG HSM with Sigma APO Tele Converter 2x EX DG

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    #3
    ISO set to Auto
    Make: Canon
    Model: Canon EOS 7D Mark II
    Exposure Time: 1/1600 sec
    Exposure Program: Shutter priority
    Exposure Bias: 0.33 EV
    F Number: F 5.6
    ISO Speed ratings: ISO 640
    Focal Length: 400 mm
    Metering Mode: Spot
    Lens: Sigma 70-200 1.2 APO DG HSM with Sigma APO Tele Converter 2x EX DG

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    #4 Very soft focus on this one, the 2x converter does not help. I would not normally put up an image this bad, but if I'm going to improve I need comments on how to avoid getting these results.

    ISO set to Auto
    Make: Canon
    Model: Canon EOS 7D Mark II
    Exposure Time: 1/1600 sec
    Exposure Program: Shutter priority
    Exposure Bias: 0.33 EV
    F Number: F 6.3
    ISO Speed ratings: ISO 1250
    Focal Length: 400 mm
    Metering Mode: Spot
    Lens: Sigma 70-200 1.2 APO DG HSM with Sigma APO Tele Converter 2x EX DG

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    #5 Only slightly better than the previous image.

    ISO set to Auto
    Make: Canon
    Model: Canon EOS 7D Mark II
    Exposure Time: 1/1600 sec
    Exposure Program: Shutter priority
    Exposure Bias: 0.33 EV
    F Number: F 5.6
    ISO Speed ratings: ISO 1250
    Focal Length: 400 mm
    Metering Mode: Spot
    Lens: Sigma 70-200 1.2 APO DG HSM with Sigma APO Tele Converter 2x EX DG

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    #6
    ISO set to Auto
    Make: Canon
    Model: Canon EOS 7D Mark II
    Exposure Time: 1/640 sec
    Exposure Program: Aperture priority
    Exposure Bias: 0 EV
    F Number: F 8
    ISO Speed ratings: ISO 5000
    Focal Length: 400 mm
    Metering Mode: Evaluative
    Lens: Sigma 70-200 1.2 APO DG HSM with Sigma APO Tele Converter 2x EX DG

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    #7
    ISO set to Auto
    Make: Canon
    Model: Canon EOS 7D Mark II
    Exposure Time: 1/500 sec
    Exposure Program: Aperture priority
    Exposure Bias: 0 EV
    F Number: F 8
    ISO Speed ratings: ISO 2500
    Focal Length: 400 mm
    Metering Mode: Evaluative
    Lens: Sigma 70-200 1.2 APO DG HSM with Sigma APO Tele Converter 2x EX DG

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    #8
    ISO set to Auto
    Make: Canon
    Model: Canon EOS 7D Mark II
    Exposure Time: 1/640 sec
    Exposure Program: Aperture priority
    Exposure Bias: 0 EV
    F Number: F 8
    ISO Speed ratings: ISO 8000
    Focal Length: 400 mm
    Metering Mode: Evaluative
    Lens: Sigma 70-200 1.2 APO DG HSM with Sigma APO Tele Converter 2x EX DG

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    #9
    ISO set to Auto
    Make: Canon
    Model: Canon EOS 7D Mark II
    Exposure Time: 1/640 sec
    Exposure Program: Aperture priority
    Exposure Bias: 0 EV
    F Number: F 8
    ISO Speed ratings: ISO 6400
    Focal Length: 400 mm
    Metering Mode: Evaluative
    Lens: Sigma 70-200 1.2 APO DG HSM with Sigma APO Tele Converter 2x EX DG

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    #10
    ISO set to Auto
    Make: Canon
    Model: Canon EOS 7D Mark II
    Exposure Time: 1/500 sec
    Exposure Program: Aperture priority
    Exposure Bias: 0 EV
    F Number: F 8
    ISO Speed ratings: ISO 8000
    Focal Length: 400 mm
    Metering Mode: Evaluative
    Lens: Sigma 70-200 1.2 APO DG HSM with Sigma APO Tele Converter 2x EX DG

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    Last edited by Grumpy John; 02-01-2019, 06:18 PM. Reason: Added EXIF Data
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  • #2
    Hi John. I'd like to see the EXIF data for these shots if you can post up.
    #1 is a Pacific Black Duck
    #2 is an Egret
    #4 looks like a heron either a White Faced or going by the colour of the wings could be a Night Heron.
    #6 is a Superb Fairy Wren
    #7 is Pacific Black and junior and the dark headed duck could be a crossbreed perhaps Pacific and Mallard.
    #8 is a Noisy Miner
    Last 2 are just not worth talking about. Yes I did notice the avatar!
    I Shoot A Canon

    Web: isacimages.com / My Gear / Flickr Photostream
    My memory's not as sharp as it used to be.
    Also, my memory's not as sharp as it used to be.

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    • Grumpy John
      Grumpy John commented
      Editing a comment
      "Yes I did notice the avatar!". You started it.
      I will edit the OP to include EXIF.
      I can dropbox the raw files if you would like to have a play around with them.

    • Grumpy John
      Grumpy John commented
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      EXIF Data supplied

  • #3
    2 and 3 great egret
    4 is a nankeen night heron.
    7 is a pair of chestnut teal with the male on the left, female on right. black duck in background
    oof looks to be slow shutter speed or missed focus, but need exif to confirm
    sometimes the camera likes the background more than the subject.
    practice sorts that out mostly. I wrote a BIF tutorial some time back.
    I personally use a single AF point mostly or 9 so on the nikon is 51/1 or 51/9
    so I have all 51 points selectable and only on active or 9.
    that way if you have a good track going and the single point on the target, you get what you want mostly.
    I bump focus too to ensure I keep the target sharp.
    if you have a limit switch on the lens, make sure you use it, it will make re acquiring the subject quicker if you run off.
    manual exposure seems to make a difference too, I believe if I set exposure manually all the camera has to do is focus and shoot. may not be so, but if I believe it helps, it does
    nikons have a setting in the menus called focus tracking with lock on too, (canon has it also but cant recall what it called right now)
    this can help you too. if you run off the target a bit with a low setting, it will immediately refocus and you get the background, but with say 2-3 on that setting,
    it wont immediately try to refocus. another example if you say tracking a BIF and it flies behind a tree or something, you refocus and lose it, but the lockon will keep the AF looking at same range as bird was before the obstruction.

    I try to practice my bif with my longest lens, this is harder but makes you more precise. I try to shoot them full frame too or as close as possible which is tougher still,
    but like all things, you get better with practice.

    if you dont have birds in flight repeatable, a useful drill is to find a spot where cars are going by. so you focus on a point on the car, say a headlight or similar and get a good track going.
    you pan along and crack off a burst while still swinging and following thru.
    the idea is to get the car in the same place each time in the frame. you should see something like a cartoon where the target is stationary but the background changes.
    cock it up, no probs. try again on the next car.
    will make you a lot sharper at it in short order
    Stephen Davey. Nikon Shooter

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    • Grumpy John
      Grumpy John commented
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      Thank you very much for taking the time to reply in such detail Stephen, much appreciated.
      EXIF Data supplied.

  • #4
    G'day GJ

    Heaps of stuff I can offer you here mate ...
    if you swap that blunderbuss of a cannon for a nikon ... the Coolpix P1000 might "just" have enough long-lens stretch for you

    Seriously tho - your bird / BIF results are very similar to mine - a lot of "almost there but not quite good enough"
    I quite agree that one of the "150 to 600's" would go down very nicely thank you - but often the $$ is just too great to justify. You may be able to pick up one - or a 100-400 - from any of the well known sites and that might be enough to get you close enough. You certainly have enough pixels to be able to crop down and still retain something pretty decent

    Also for myself - I use my DIY monopod [made from a painter's telescopic handle ... see an earlier posting] with a good ball head and it's solid enough for 1000mm of optics, that along with the Red Dot Sight allows me to follow BIF and get some 'reasonable results'

    Phil
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    > recent images at http://www.flickr.com/photos/ozzie_traveller/sets/

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    • Grumpy John
      Grumpy John commented
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      Thanks for your comments Phil, always happy to learn from other people's experience.
      I am not a dedicated bird photographer, but I would like to learn the skills as they can be used for just about any panning situation. If you can get a BIF tack sharp then you have pretty much mastered panning IMHO.

  • #5
    Based on exif, I believe you missed focus. Possibly lens liked the background more. Some tips in the post above may help.
    Stephen Davey. Nikon Shooter

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    • Grumpy John
      Grumpy John commented
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      I tried to reclaim the CR2 files which (Canon file format) which when viewed in DPP4 (Canon's editing program) will show focus point. However mos of the files had been written over and Recuva didn't
      In all the images posted the focal point was always somewhere on the bird.
      I believe the main issue is that I had the Siggy at full extent (200mm) combined with the 2x converter, combined with the fact that I find it difficult to hand hold this lens, I was always going to be pushing the proverbial uphill.
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